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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:04am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

It almost certainly isn't in the public domain. For more information, there's this PDF from the USCO.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:19am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Well, that is a lot of legal jargon and still doesn't address the situation for a specific film 1.e., "A River called Titas". Can you supply a link that lists specific films [domestic and foreign] that are NOT in public domain. If so, I can save everyone's time by checking myself. Otherwise, I will have to keep asking about specific films and a definitive answer.

Just wait when aliens settle on Earth and their library of films come into question. Here come galactic law and lawyers. :)

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Wish I could. Go for it.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:30am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Unfortunately, if I upload the film it could well be a waste of time for someone here at the Archives would finally surface and provide the definitive answer I request.

Just out of curiosity how did the plethora of Chinese and Russian films get here and sustain their position.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:32am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

And the recent German films. I guess the companies holding copyright on them haven't found them here yet, or they just don't care. Occasionally the moderators here ask in this forum about questionable uploads, and someone here answers. Otherwise, they stay. I have only posted requests to remove films when certain they aren't PD, though lately the mods don't appear to care much, weakening my interest.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 9:39am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

For the sake of argument I ask the following rhetorical question...

If "A River Called Titas" falls under copyright, then when was the last time the film played in a theater or even sold DVD copies and the revenue generated was given to the original film distributor or director?

Interesting to note that there is a totally restored copy...

http://worldcinemafoundation.org/films/titas

My copy looks like it was run through a sandbox.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 8:57am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Understood.

Case in point...

"The Stoning Of Soraya M" [2008]

http://www.archive.org/details/TheStoningOfSorayaM

Unfortunately, the Internet Archives is so vast in scope and functioning on the kindness of volunteers that appear to not regularly monitor the posted materials and visitor's input and questions. The IA needs a Federal Grant to hire responsible people to consistently maintain the site. The film archives, as far as I can see, are a mess involving copyright issues and multiple postings.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 9:29am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

It's pretty much as Moongleam wrote recently.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 9:48am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

What would one do about the following...

I have a copy of Fellini's "I, Clowns" but it is subtitled in French. Could it be uploaded? Does the copyright status lie with Fellini or to the company responsible for the subtitles?

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 9:53am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Both the film and subtitles could each be under copyright. The film, I'm sure is. Anything can be uploaded. I wouldn't.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 10:02am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

You know, it is sad that the bottom line on the copyright issue is "bucks" and not on "intellectual" property. In a way that's fine...the author should receive some benefit but film ownership and current methods of manipulation [colorization, tinting, subtitles, etc.] simply compound the confusion.

I suppose one could post anything for the legal responsibility lies with IA in that they must exercise their responsibility in the determination of a film's eligibility.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Nov 13, 2011 4:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

Colorization, I assume, requires a lot of skilled work. On the other hand, tinting, if the entire movie is given the same tint, is absolutely trivial and should not be copyrightable. It shouldn't even be considered "sweat of the brow".

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 4:50pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

I remember when colorization made the scene...back in the mid 70s I believe when I think a Laurel and Hardy short was colorized. I think the price tag was around $17,000. Then came Ted Turner with his box of crayons and colorized just about every black and white film he possessed. It's a novelty and destroys the integrity of the film. However, go back a 100 years or so and note the colorization of some of Georges Melies' films...they were done by skilled colorists with paints [dyes] and a brush. Yes, tinting is simple by computer but again in the old days that particular section of positive film stock had to be tinted with a stable [probably an aniline dye much as the original Technicolor films or the now defunct Kodak Kodachrome] colorant. And, it was not an arbitrary decision. The director wanted to convey a certain disposition or mood. The modern tints just appear to be a haphazard methodology.

I do agree with the copyright status...doesn't merit recognition.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Nov 13, 2011 10:34am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

I see you've been over this before. I can see no purpose in discussing it further.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

That is quite correct but it does not hurt to keep bringing these issues to the top where eventually the curators of the Internet Archive will become more interactive, establish some better guidelines, instill individuals that are dedicated to the rules and regulations with more knowledge and access to many more resources [for the ultimate copyright status of a specific film], and offer a more presentable repository. Until then, there will always be arguments and doubts about the status of a specific film.

It is a pity in many ways for there are a lot of individuals that do not have access to the elements of film history either by location or financial and the Internet Archive would be a wonderful site for the dispersion of such knowledge.

Here's a thought for the curators: For films that are obviously under copyright and those that are borderline, simply disable the download options.

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Poster: MrCranky Date: Nov 13, 2011 3:33pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

HG80,
Your suggestion about new uploads being viewable but not downloadable is a good one.
And while we're wish listing, perhaps a separate Copyright_Court Forum could be created so the Feature_Film forum could be used to discuss films. There are so many opinions that could then be reasonably voiced.

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Poster: Hg80 Date: Nov 13, 2011 4:53pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'A River Called Titas'

"Copyright Court Forum" could be a viable option whereby hard evidence is presented and maintain the "Feature Film Forum" for film discussions. Good idea.

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